Kapler

[holiday613]

I know I havent posted much here but I just wanted to say goodbye to Gabe Kapler and my beloved team of over 50 years, the SF Giants.. I will not watch a game where their chief on field representative pisses on our national anthem.. Kapler is full of shit.. If he is so unhappy with the direction this country is going (As am I, btw) then he should quit his million plus a year salary and run for office.. Taking it out on one of this countries symbols is out of line and until he apologizes (wont happen) or the Giants fire his sorry woke ass (Again, will never happen) I am officially done with the team.. Its been nice knowing y'all over the years!

[klaiggeb]

Holiday, I would encourage you to rethink your position. Gabe Kapler is one of many giants, And as such she does not represent the team.
Is simply one member.

To me, can being awoke, Progressive moron it's not enough to take me away from the game, or our team.

There are many out there just like him, possibly a large portion of our team, who agree with his actions.

You and I, and hundreds of thousands of others do not. But it's just like that idiot Colin Kaepernick when he took a knee; I am not going to let the actions of one take me away from the game I love.

[klaiggeb]

Mordy. I guess what I'm saying goes back to the old saying, don't let one bad apple spoil the whole bunch.

Personally, I REFUSE to let the woke, progressive left dictate how I live, what I do, and what I think.

I hope you change your mind and do the same, because personally, I miss you, and Rx, not posting here very often.

[reedonly]

I’ve never like the guy because he’s usually there for photo-ops or re-tweets. As La Russa says, if you are not happy with the way things are going, speak directly to the problem, not just hide in the clubhouse. There are a number of Giants managers Over the years that I was not happy with such as Dark, King, Davenport, and I’ve stuck by the team even in the lean years. Frankly, whatever Kapler decides to do is unimportant on any scale and certainly did not stop the shooting in Oklahoma last weekend. This is classic virtue signaling and does anyone think to stop gun violence because It will help kapler come out of the clubhouse?

[Islandboagie]

I agree with Mordy, if you don't like the state of something you once loved, you should protest it and not be a part of it anymore.

I think you see where I'm going with this...

Mordy, although I totally agree with your sentiment here, you're in turn doing exactly what Kapler is doing. You're abandoning something you once cherished just because of a few "bad apples" as Boly said.

Kapler has his heart in the right place, as does Mordy, but their anger is pointed in the wrong direction.

Kapler's anger should be pointed towards the leaders of this country which have failed us. To blame the flag or the anthem is silly. The flag represents those that died in the Texas school shooting just as much as it does anything else. Turning your back on it, is like turning your back on them. Kapler says his protest has nothing to do with the military and their sacrifice, but when you involve the flag it absolutely does. That's what makes me not that upset with Kapler, it's not that he's trying to disparage those who gave their lives, he's just an idiot.

Mordy's disgust should be pointed toward Kapler, not the whole organization. Dave Dravecky gave his left arm to win one game in 1989 for this franchise. To turn your back on the Giants is turning your back on Dravecky just as much as Kapler. Not to mention, Posey, Cain and others that wore the uniform their entire career. You're giving up on them, when they never gave up on us.

I hope you reconsider where to direct your anger towards, Mordy. As Boly said, you shouldn't let the leftist morons dictate who you root for and who you don't.

[reedonly]

Kapler made his anouncement and there were 11 mass shootings in the USA this weekend.

[holiday613]

Well, after reading the responses i did reconsider and will rejoin . I appreciate all the kind words but Kapler can go fuck himself even though i understand he came back out for the anthem.. He is a disgusting individual and I have ZERO respect for him.. Lets go Giants!!!

[reedonly]

On kapler's website, he stated he will be donating to everytown (an organization dedicated to end gun violence) and Heart and Armour (a charity directed towards the health of veterans). This whole incident shows he wasn't paying attention in his history and civics classes. As to illustrate how intelligent he isn't, he spends more time grandstanding about the anthem than talking about the charities.

[klaiggeb]

May 30, 2022 18:10:56 GMT -5 holiday613 said:

Well, after reading the responses i did reconsider and will rejoin . I appreciate all the kind words but Kapler can go fuck himself even though i understand he came back out for the anthem.. He is a disgusting individual and I have ZERO respect for him.. Lets go Giants!!!

I totally agree with you, holiday! For the most part, I like the way you run the ball club, but who's politics, that's the politics of so many of the left are just disgusting

[reedonly]

Kapler's charitable donations seem as if they are two fold: he knows he insulted servicemen so he tries to cover his tracks by donating to Heart and Armour. He also knows that sitting in the clubhouse during the anthem really accomplishes nothing so in response to La Russa, he donates to Everytown. Unless he made these donations before La Russa's comments, it reeks of CYA.

Also, it doesn't matter what other managers think about what Kapler does.  It is their own form of vitrue signalling and re-tweeting.  The only one of the managers that made any valuable comments about Kapler is Dave Roberts as he and Kapler have worked together in he past on community service messages.

[reedonly]

May 31, 2022 8:56:27 GMT -5 klaiggeb said:

May 30, 2022 18:10:56 GMT -5 holiday613 said:

Well, after reading the responses i did reconsider and will rejoin . I appreciate all the kind words but Kapler can go fuck himself even though i understand he came back out for the anthem.. He is a disgusting individual and I have ZERO respect for him.. Lets go Giants!!!

I totally agree with you, holiday! For the most part, I like the way you run the ball club, but who's politics, that's the politics of so many of the left are just disgusting

With a record of 26-21, I cannot say I like the way he runs a club.  On KNBR this morning, there was a discussion about whether Kapler was a distraction to the team over the weekend.  Kuiper said there were no hits with 16 men on base on Saturday.  Kuip said that if there were anyone who would let Kapler's comments affect their performance would be players he would not want to play with. 

[Islandboagie]

Boly- I totally agree with you, holiday! For the most part, I like the way you run the ball club, but who's politics, that's the politics of so many of the left are just disgusting

Boagie- There's very few Liberal ideologies that I can agree with. They're currently running their campaigns on higher taxes, defunding police, open borders and abortions at any phase of pregnancy. I cannot fathom how anyone would support any candidate who makes this the talking points of their campaign.

But on the topic of gun control the Democrats are on the right side, and they have been for a while. Nobody should be able to go purchase an AR-15 without a full background check, mental evaluation, waiting period and training on how to handle semiautomatic weapons. If you want to purchase a weapon like that you should prove to be competent and able to use it and store it safely. Anyone who wants to hunt or use it for their protection will take those steps.

[reedonly]

An 18 year old should not be able to purchase an AR-15 without a background check and going through a safety class. Three days before the shootings, the riskiest thing the kid could buy was Red Bull and the kid did not suddenly convert into an adult merely because the calendar flipped.  So three days after his 18th birthday, he has two assault rifles and 375 rounds of ammunition.  In fact, right before the Uvalde shootings, the kid was got into an argument with his grandmother over the use of wi-fi on his mother's cell phone and shot her.  A lot of people act like children well into their 20s and 30s, some of them all their lives and the fact that the kid legally purchased all that without any legal check or balance is mind boggling.  

[klaiggeb]

May 31, 2022 9:32:42 GMT -5 Islandboagie said:

Boly- I totally agree with you, holiday! For the most part, I like the way you run the ball club, but who's politics, that's the politics of so many of the left are just disgusting

Boagie- There's very few Liberal ideologies that I can agree with. They're currently running their campaigns on higher taxes, defunding police, open borders and abortions at any phase of pregnancy. I cannot fathom how anyone would support any candidate who makes this the talking points of their campaign.

But on the topic of gun control the Democrats are on the right side, and they have been for a while. Nobody should be able to go purchase an AR-15 without a full background check, mental evaluation, waiting period and training on how to handle semiautomatic weapons. If you want to purchase a weapon like that you should prove to be competent and able to use it and store it safely. Anyone who wants to hunt or use it for their protection will take those steps.

boagie, I totally agree with you that NO ONE needs an automatic rifle or weapon.

Everyone owning a weapon should have all of the background checks you mentioned, for sure.

But based upon what I hear and read, just wanting those background checks is not the democrat's position.

As reported over and over again by Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly, and so many other, they want the 2nd amendment removed.

They want all guns confiscated so that no one in the public has a gun or a rifle. This is a position stated over and over by everyone from Schumr, to the Clintons, to Obama and the rest of the Democrat hierarchy.

As you have seen, and based upon their actions, they feel it is totally within their rights to ignore Constitutional law when it pleases them.

[Islandboagie]

That's definitely the opinion of someone like Glenn Beck, who wants to project the idea that the Democrats are going to take your guns. There could be some far left nutjobs who want that, but removing the 2nd amendment would never happen. An attempt at taking all the guns would result in the government being overthrown by the people. The Democratic party

I don't recall Obama or the Clintons saying they want to take all the guns, maybe I missed that.

[reedonly]

May 30, 2022 18:10:56 GMT -5 holiday613 said:

Well, after reading the responses i did reconsider and will rejoin . I appreciate all the kind words but Kapler can go fuck himself even though i understand he came back out for the anthem.. He is a disgusting individual and I have ZERO respect for him.. Lets go Giants!!!

Krukow was talking about Kapler this morning and said he has a right to his opinion and whatever platform he chooses.  However, he drew the line after the Jake McGee lineup card fiasco.  It shows he put his virtue signaling ahead of the team.  Someone probably stuck the lineup card in front of him and he probably signed off on it without looking at it because he was so distracted by the anthem thing.  Kapler should have taken care of the team first.  I guess it was more important to show the world what a great guy he is than to do the simplest of tasks. 

[klaiggeb]

May 31, 2022 15:06:24 GMT -5 Islandboagie said:

That's definitely the opinion of someone like Glenn Beck, who wants to project the idea that the Democrats are going to take your guns. There could be some far left nutjobs who want that, but removing the 2nd amendment would never happen. An attempt at taking all the guns would result in the government being overthrown by the people. The Democratic party

I don't recall Obama or the Clintons saying they want to take all the guns, maybe I missed that.

It was part of their 'schtick' all the time, boagie.

Obama also said, though they continue to hide it, that "he couldn't' wait for $8.00/gallon gas prices to jump start his 'vision' of an all electric vehicle future.

IN a recent speech, our president (small 'p' for this guy!) echoed the same thing, and THEN his staff had to cover what he said... again!

Not that he ever checked, but:

1-Most people can't afford one

2-there homes DON'T have the facilities to 'fast charge' a car overnight. Regular charging, according to the experts, in your home would take upwards of 8 hours!

And what's the electric cost to the home owner! Again, according to the experts, astronomical!


3-IF you're on the highway, you're screwed because this country LACKS sufficient charging stations to handle the volume of cars that would need them.

4-It takes HOURS to recharge a battery, so you 'trip' to another state will now take you days longer. One, two, three. doesn't matter. And if you've ever driven accross country and SEEN the number of cars getting gas on the interstates, you'd be in line for...what five? ten? fifteen hours waiting for your turn?

5-What's the cost to produce all that electricity needed? Oh. Yeah! Fossil fuel burning electric plants!

6-Where are the 'bad batteries' disposed when they give out?


I have listened to a number of experts on this on the Glenn Beck show, and their figures to do all of the above are staggering!

It would take upwards of 10 to 20 years to 'outfit' our country to do that. And that doesn't even begin to address the cost!

NOT practical. Not at all!

They haven't thought this through. All they've done is manipulate numbers to support their distorted vision.

[Islandboagie]

Talking about fossil fuels doesn't exactly prove your point about guns, Boly.

I know how the Democrats are, I know the green new deal is important to them because getting rid of the oil companies would be the stake in the heart for the Republican Party. I actually agree with the environmental side of it, but that's not why the Democrats have been pushing for it. Clean energy is inevitable, they've doubled down on it, it's only a matter of time before we'll all be driving electric cars.

But we're not talking about fossil fuels and clean energy. We're talking about guns, and that's something they can't push through.

I'm not a fan of Obama, I voted for McCain and Romney over Obama, and quite reluctantly for Romney. But I have to defend Obama here...if Obama wanted to take our guns, why didn't he? He had two terms and he had the majority in the house and the senate part of that time. You cannot say he wants to take our guns when his actions and words never suggested such.

[klaiggeb]

Their complaint has been and continues to be the gun lobbies are too strong. And since the gun lobbies are so strong, they ignore the fact that By an extremely large margin most Americans want to keep their guns thus they're going after the 2nd amendment.

I only mentioned the fossil fuels, because it was part of the larger plan that the democrats have. But the reality is, all of the things are intertwined.

I should have left the fossil fuel part out, but I was on a roll

One of the reasons I listene to Glenn Beck and bill o'reilly, is that they will not let the democrats forget what they campaigned on, and what they have said over over and over again.

[Islandboagie]

I don't think they want to repeal the second amendment, Boly. They just don't think assault weapons should be protected under the second amendment. They also want strict background checks, as do some Republicans. Even Reagan wanted more strict gun laws, and that was before all these mass shootings existed.

Now, the question is..if they do successfully ban assault weapons, how far will the Democrats take it?

[klaiggeb]

Boagie I hate to disagree, but many of the leadership And party democrats on the left have said they want to repeal the 2nd amendment.

It has been reported many times by Glenn Beck, Bill O'Riley, and before he died, Rush Limbaugh.

And honestly, they have not been very subtle about it.

That lack of subtlety is why I brought up the goal of the left to do away with all fossil Fuel birding vehicles.

They say so many things, that unless you follow billow Riley, or Glenn back, or otherConservative talk show hosts, a lot of What they are saying and doing would go by unnoticed.

[Islandboagie]

I liked Glenn Beck's show, I haven't heard it for a while, but it was entertaining and funny. But when Glenn starts getting serious and delving into politics or religion, he becomes a kook. His Radio show was good, his TV show on Fox made me question his sanity. The guy would come out with his smoking jacket, Bible, surrounded by Victorian furniture and start doodling on a big chalkboard, talking about how George Soros was going to destroy the universe. It literally looked and felt like a comedy skit.

O'Reilly's show on Fox I liked. Bill's greatest skill (one of very few) was his ability to turn Democrats into raving lunatics. I used to watch that show a lot, but it was purely for entertainment. He would go on rants, get his guests all pissed off, bring out Dennis Miller to make fun of Democrats then he'd end the show by ogling some piece of ass like Megan Kelly, among other hot "analysts."

These people aren't in politics, they're entertainers, they have no clue what they're talking about. But they saw a nation of people that were pissed off so they tapped into it and got filthy rich making shows and selling books.

Rush is different, Rush was a radio talk show host, but also an economist and a political pundit. He had the chops to talk about politics, it wasn't just for entertainment. I don't know if he ever said Obama or the Clintons were going to take your guns away, but I'd be surprised if he did..and if he did, I don't think he truly believed that.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with a lot of all three of their view points..but to me, the equivalent of anyone saying "the Democrats are going to take your guns away" is someone saying "Republicans hate immigrants." It's what they say to get their base all fired up, and often times it works.

[klaiggeb]

Boagie I think now would be a good time for us to end this discussion.

We are both conservatives and though we view some issues differently, they are nothing to divide over.

Besides, we really should keep this baseball board

🤗😇

[Islandboagie]

Fair enough, Boly.

Keep in mind though, I'm not like Rog. I would never lower myself to getting mad and throwing out personal insults, because I like hearing other opinions that differ from mine. I don't get upset when someone doesn't agree with me. In the end my personal opinions don't need validation from others for me to sleep at night.

[reedonly]

Actually, it is relevant to the baseball aspect if it affects Kapler's ability to do his job (which it has), and if it serves as a distraction to the team (possible).

[klaiggeb]

Jun 2, 2022 10:08:21 GMT -5 Islandboagie said:

Fair enough, Boly.

Keep in mind though, I'm not like Rog. I would never lower myself to getting mad and throwing out personal insults, because I like hearing other opinions that differ from mine. I don't get upset when someone doesn't agree with me. In the end my personal opinions don't need validation from others for me to sleep at night.

I totally understand, and I know that period I just thought it was time to get back to talking baseball

[holiday613]

I would just like to point out how quickly the Giants went into the tank against less than stellar teams since Kaplers dumb political publicity stunt..Seems he has lost focus along with the team as a whole.. For the first time in decades, i fimd myself disconnected from the team, especially after a loss..I actually feel they deserve it for spitting on their country.. Wish I felt differently..

[klaiggeb]

I hadn't thought about that, holiday. What a great point.

I, too, feel like you do. I don't believe they deserve our support.

It is almost like Gabe Kepler's behavior has leaked into the players on the team, and it's taken everyone's focus off the games.

[reedonly]

I think Kapler's anthem thing is ancient history, to be honest. Nobody in the Bay Area is really talking about Kapler anymore, especially since the past two weekends, there have been a couple dozen mass shootings across the country. Kerr and the Warriors address it correctly wearing end gun violence shirts and *standing* for the anthem. The usual for a shooting news cycle in the Bay Area is that everyone gets outraged for a couple of days and then the news dies down until the next one. Its sad that its happening so much that people have become numb to the news.   Kapler's stand on the National Anthem is now old news and pretty much forgotten, as is the Tommy Pham slap.  Frankly, with the Warriors in the NBA Finals, anything Giants is pretty much forgotten in a couple of days. 

Kuiper felt that winning five out of eight on the road trip was a good road trip after dropping the first two. One thing he mentioned that was not on the sports news was that eleven inches of rain was dumped on the region in one day last weekend and the only way in and out of the stadium was by bus since most cars could not make it through the floods. Also, with the flooding, attendance at most of the games ran 5000-8000 and the team might have been thrown off by that after a high energy series in Philadelphia. With everyone wading in the water to get in and out of the ballpark, the Giants probably felt it was enough to show up, play nine innings, and get out. I realize both teams were subject to the flooding but the Marlins are more accustomed to it.  I think that for last weekend, the players were more worried about getting their feet and clothes wet more so than what Kapler said about ten days ago.  

[klaiggeb]

You could very well be right, that it is ancient history.

And one thing is for sure, the American public has 1 short, short memory!

I don't know what it is, or rather what it was, but something effective these guys during this road trip.

As I posted another thread we can't pitch, we can't hit, and we can't play defense.

And those are things we were doing well when the season started, and if not well, then better than average