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Post by sharksrog on Oct 20, 2021 20:41:17 GMT -5
If I were the Giants, I would indeed emphasize pitchers who can start, but I would be very open to value among relievers as well. A team almost can't have too many starters, and it also almost can't have too many relievers. Look for the Giants to acquire some pitchers in both categories they can send down if necessary. Farhan is about building depth that extends all the way into the minors.
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Post by klaiggeb on Oct 21, 2021 10:21:11 GMT -5
I agree with you, Boly, that Kris had a good series, especially compared to other Giants hitters. Thanks for the welcome back! Kris has hit .258 over his career with RISP, but with a good .846 OPS. I'm not convinced he'll hit better overall than he has thus far. His trend has been down. I think he's a very good base runner and a good teammate. Good versatility and quite good against southpaws. Not a good fielder. He was playing center field in at least one game because he had shown difficulty in covering right-center field in Oracle Park while playing right field. Thus the Giants elected to use Slater in right, even though he is easily a better center fielder than Bryant. Kris has only 14 career regular season starts in center.
What I said was that of his 8 hits, outside of that HR, he didn't drive in even one run.
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Post by Islandboagie on Oct 21, 2021 10:25:11 GMT -5
I think Zaidi has done a very good job in retooling the organization from the top to the bottom, but one thing we're still short on is viable pitching depth. He added some scrap heap pitchers but none of them panned out last season. Based on this I have to question the ability of Zaidi and his scouts to find help for cheap. I think Sabean and co. were quite a bit better in that category. I believe to get quality help on the mound some trades will have to be made, or money will have to be spent.
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Post by reedonly on Oct 21, 2021 10:32:22 GMT -5
I think Zaidi has done a very good job in retooling the organization from the top to the bottom, but one thing we're still short on is viable pitching depth. He added some scrap heap pitchers but none of them panned out last season. Based on this I have to question the ability of Zaidi and his scouts to find help for cheap. I think Sabean and co. were quite a bit better in that category. I believe to get quality help on the mound some trades will have to be made, or money will have to be spent. To be honest though, where Zaidi and Harris are looking for talent is like those people who shop at Marshalls. They'll have to aim a bit higher to assemble something even close to the core four we had. Also, I'd like to acknowledge Drew Smyly in the bullpen game yesterday. |
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Post by Islandboagie on Oct 21, 2021 10:41:02 GMT -5
Bryant didn't have a bad series, it was actually decent, but he didn't really step up and make us forget his struggles down the stretch.
I know a few have stated here that Bryant's numbers have diminished since his first few seasons, and that may be the case. But this last season his OPS dropped nearly 100 points after he came to the Giants. In 2019 he hit 31 homeruns and had an OPS over .900. He may have declined from his early years, but he was still a guy that could drive the ball with some regularity...once he joined the Giants his power stroke often resulted in pop ups and dribblers back to the mound. He clearly wasn't the same guy. Perhaps he was trying too hard.
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Post by klaiggeb on Oct 21, 2021 15:25:49 GMT -5
Bryant didn't have a bad series, it was actually decent, but he didn't really step up and make us forget his struggles down the stretch. I know a few have stated here that Bryant's numbers have diminished since his first few seasons, and that may be the case. But this last season his OPS dropped nearly 100 points after he came to the Giants. In 2019 he hit 31 homeruns and had an OPS over .900. He may have declined from his early years, but he was still a guy that could drive the ball with some regularity...once he joined the Giants his power stroke often resulted in pop ups and dribblers back to the mound. He clearly wasn't the same guy. Perhaps he was trying too hard.
didn't Longoria have the same "pressing" problem when he first came to us?
I'm pretty sure he said he did. |
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Post by reedonly on Oct 21, 2021 16:01:29 GMT -5
Bryant didn't have a bad series, it was actually decent, but he didn't really step up and make us forget his struggles down the stretch. I know a few have stated here that Bryant's numbers have diminished since his first few seasons, and that may be the case. But this last season his OPS dropped nearly 100 points after he came to the Giants. In 2019 he hit 31 homeruns and had an OPS over .900. He may have declined from his early years, but he was still a guy that could drive the ball with some regularity...once he joined the Giants his power stroke often resulted in pop ups and dribblers back to the mound. He clearly wasn't the same guy. Perhaps he was trying too hard.
didn't Longoria have the same "pressing" problem when he first came to us?
I'm pretty sure he said he did.The problem going forward is that Kris Bryant is going to want to be paid like Kris Bryant 2016 vintage. Of note, he turned down a $220 million offer of an extension from the Cubs so one would have to guess that this is going to be the starting point for negotiations. I mentioned last month that from baseball reference, Kris Bryant now is comparable to George Springer type and I believe Roger has mentioned that this would be with an Eduardo Nunez type glove. I'm not sure how many years $220 million buys (eight?) but that seems like too long and too much. If Giants' coaches can get him on track, it might work but its a lot of money and years to risk. |
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Post by sharksrog on Oct 21, 2021 20:43:03 GMT -5
Last season Farhan added Sammy Long, Matt Wisler, Silvino Bracho, Dominic Leone, Anthony DeSclafani, John Brebbia, Alex Wood, Zack Littell, Jay Jackson, Nick Tropeano, Aaron Sanchez, Scott Kazmir, Jose Alvarez, Tony Watson, Tyler Chatwood and Jose Quintana to the pitching staff. He also re-signed Kevin Gausman.
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Post by reedonly on Oct 22, 2021 6:01:33 GMT -5
Moronta and Tauchman dfa'd
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Post by reedonly on Oct 22, 2021 10:38:31 GMT -5
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Post by klaiggeb on Oct 22, 2021 10:52:47 GMT -5
Thanks, Reed, that was a very nice run down.
I've been thinking on this for a few days now, and another player I'm pretty sure they move or let walk, is Austin Slater.
I like Austin, he has great, no tremendous power. He's fast, can steal bases and play a darned good outfield.
But his inconsistency just continues, his cold streaks lasting way too long.
If I'm looking to bring up some kids, in this case, Ramos, Slater might be expendable.
Thing is, I'd like to keep him because of his speed.
As Farhan says, this team MUST become more athletic, and Slater provides that.
Still, I think he's expendable.
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Post by sharksrog on Oct 22, 2021 13:13:01 GMT -5
You make a good point, Boly, that when the Giants bring up Ramos -- which will almost certainly happen in 2022 -- someone will have to go (barring injury). Since both players bat right-handed, Slater makes sense.
In fact, Ramos might be part of the Giants' future change away from platoons. Slater had an .853 career OPS against southpaws but only .633 against righties. You mentioned his power, which is exceptional when he hits the ball in the air. Did you know that 11 of his 46 fly balls last season left the yard? His difficulty is that he hits about twice as many ground balls as fly balls. He has improved his ability to hit the ball in the air to left field, something he almost never did earlier in his career.
Ramos also hits southpaws better, but he has made up for it some by drawing more walks against righties.
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