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Post by klaiggeb on Mar 11, 2018 12:47:35 GMT -5
Last Preseason I ignored my instincts and mental alerts as I watched the preseason games, but this year, EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE STILL TWO WEEKS TO GO, I am not.
Last year I pretended everything was okay, when my eyes told me they were not, so I was foolishly optimistic.
I will not make that mistake again.
I know THERE ARE STILL TWO WEEKS TO GO, but here are some of my concerns.
1-Starting pitching outside of Bum.
Notice I did NOT include Cueto in that list of... well... one.
I was not pleased with what I saw in his last outting. He got a number of hitters out because the hitting is not ready to hit.
His locations were sporadic and basically all over the place.
Again, I KNOW, it's early.
2-Samardzidja-He can say he's working on this or that all he wants... but his command is still shaky.
He's not a # 3, but for us, he's going to have to be.
3-Beede and Suarez-I've not had the chance to see Suarez yet, but Beede did not impress me yesterday IN SPITE of what the reporters reported; that he was sharp early.
IMHO, he was NOT.
Now to be fair, he features a very good breaking ball, and in the light, AZ air, that works against the breaking ball.
What I did NOT see were more change ups, which, IMHO, he needs.
His location was off in every inning, IMHO, but the second.
4-Okert-I've seen him twice now, and he's been rocked twice.
5-Melancon-Once again, they can give me all the patter they want about "you'd expect some discomfort," and what not, but to ME, that's just the same old Rhetoric we always hear when things are not right.
I'm predicting he opens the year on the DL.
Bottom line: As Roger pointed out weeks ago, our pitching is our weak link, and it's a very, very weak link, IMHO.
Other than that, I've got nothing else.
If you've seen stuff, please, pass it on.
I need some positives because right now, where the pitching is concerned, I don't see any.
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Post by Islandboagie on Mar 11, 2018 12:57:43 GMT -5
I agree.
Cueto showing up fat to spring training is disheartening. Samardjiza is the Brandon Belt of pitchers. Blach and Stratton, let's face it, they're boring.
The only thing that excites me about what you said, Boly, is the idea that Melacon will start the year on the DL. I hope and pray you're right. Because Melancon can no longer close games, in fact, in a competitive atmosphere he may never have been a legit closer.
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Post by Islandboagie on Mar 11, 2018 13:29:26 GMT -5
The positive is Strickland worked with John Smoltz this off season to develop a slider. Which means to me that he wants to be the closer. He would certainly be an upgrade over Melancholy Melacon.
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Post by klaiggeb on Mar 11, 2018 14:19:41 GMT -5
I hadn't thought about how heavy he looked, boagie, but you're right! He DID look heavy!
Swell.
The way things are going, it's beginning to look like it's over before it's even begun.
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Post by sfgdood on Mar 11, 2018 23:09:37 GMT -5
Your post reminds me of the so called experts prior to election day 2016 predicting there was "no chance" Trump would reach 270 Electoral votes. He ended up with like 310. I always tune out all the analysis in ST...it's completely MEANINGLESS.
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Post by rog on Mar 11, 2018 23:56:07 GMT -5
Samardzidja-He can say he's working on this or that all he wants... but his command is still shaky. He's not a # 3, but for us, he's going to have to be. Rog -- Jeff is at worst an average starter. The average starter out of five is #3. Hence he's a #3 and it wouldn't surprise me if he's better than that this season. As you mention, he needs to get his command more consistent so he can avoid the home run ball. But his stuff is easily above-average for a starter. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/4337/pitching#ixzz59VW4Pekl
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Post by rog on Mar 12, 2018 0:17:52 GMT -5
Samardjiza is the Brandon Belt of pitchers.
Rog -- You guys are off base on Brandon, and you're off base not because he hits for a high average or even hits with a lot of power. You're off base because you aren't giving proper credence to clear water revival, otherwise known as not making outs. And you're off base because you're not giving proper impact to strong defense. And you're off base because you're not giving him credit for being faster than most first basemen. And you're off base because you're not realizing how much his hitting is affected by hitting at AT&T. Remember, for every 550 or so at bats on the road, he's hit about 25 homers. For a guy who gets on base a lot and is a top five fielder at his position, that's not bad.
You guys also may be somewhat surprised by Jeff's season this year. No guarantees, but he's a guy primed for much better results than he got last season. Simply having better outfielders behind him is going to help.
Saying he's not a #3 is highly questionable. Yes, his ERA was only average for a starter (which in itself screams #3 starter), but his K/BB ratio was among the best in the game, and he led the NL in innings pitched. To say he is LESS than a #3 starter is a tough pill to swallow.
Let's get down to brass tacks. While injuries and other factors prevented several good pitchers from being qualifiers (162 innings pitched), Jeff ranked #43 in ERA among qualifiers. And that was even though he pitched better than his ERA showed.
Now, if we take all the #1 starters from each team, that's 30 starters. If we add 30 to it for #2 starters, that's 60. Jeff finished #43 in ERA. One could argue that made him a #2 starter, and it's certainly hard to argue that he wasn't at least a #3.
You guys are overstating the requirements to be a #3. The average ERA for NL pitchers last season was 4.34. Relievers go much shorter stints, so their ERA's are clearly lower than starters. That means the average ERA for NL STARTERS was almost certainly over 4.50. Jeff's 4.42 was better than average for a starter. His K's and BB's were outstanding. He had the advantage of pitching in a pitchers' park, but he also had the disadvantage of pitching in front of the Giants' outfield, quite possibly the worst in baseball in 2017.
One could argue that Jeff isn't a #2 starter, but to say he isn't a #3 flies in the face of the facts.
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Post by rog on Mar 12, 2018 0:21:51 GMT -5
The positive is Strickland worked with John Smoltz this off season to develop a slider. Which means to me that he wants to be the closer. He would certainly be an upgrade over Melancholy Melacon. Rog -- For gosh sakes, Boagie. When healthy, Mark was a far better pitcher than Strickland. By the way, I didn't have to see that Strickland worked with Smoltz (although that is indeed impressive) to know that he wanted to be the closer. Almost every reliever wants to be the closer. Mark seems to have a good personality. I haven't seen him be melancholy, even in the face of injury. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/4337/pitching?page=1#ixzz59VcJhNu4
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Post by rog on Mar 12, 2018 0:27:20 GMT -5
Your post reminds me of the so called experts prior to election day 2016 predicting there was "no chance" Trump would reach 270 Electoral votes. He ended up with like 310. Rog -- Without getting into how he has performed as President, the so-called experts simply didn't give enough credence to P.T. Barnum. They thought that horrible morals meant more to the American public than they apparently did. The voters were so hungry for change that they ignored how evil Donald is. Or perhaps the voters simply wanted a President who tweeted all the deedily dee. I'm not commenting on how Donald has performed as President wanting to be monarch. I'm talking about what an evil person he is. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/4337/pitching?page=1#ixzz59Vd2oVJk
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Post by sfgdood on Mar 12, 2018 0:53:41 GMT -5
Rog -- Without getting into how he has performed as President, the so-called experts simply didn't give enough credence to P.T. Barnum. They thought that horrible morals meant more to the American public than they apparently did. The voters were so hungry for change that they ignored how evil Donald is.
Or perhaps the voters simply wanted a President who tweeted all the deedily dee. I'm not commenting on how Donald has performed as President wanting to be monarch. I'm talking about what an evil person he is.
Dood - Explain to me what is evil about him...is it that he has boosted the economy to historic levels? Is it that he is letting us keep more of the money we earn? Is it that black unemployment and Hispanic unemployment are at historic low levels? Is it that ISIS has all but been wiped out? Is it that he has accomplished what none of the past presidents have been able to in forcing North Korea to the bargaining table? Is it that he agrees with our citizens that our border needs to be secured and illegal criminals need to be dealt with...and that Sanctuary laws are highly unconstitutional? Is it that he believes in our constitutionally protected right to defend ourselves?
He may be a 'bully' by your definition of the word, but he's a bully fighting for our benefit as Americans. When I hire someone to represent my interests I'd rather hire a bulldog than a baby dove. By every measurable metric he has done more to benefit Americans in 14 months than Obama did in 96. The PT Barnum axiom was more noticeable in 2008 and 2012 than in 2016.
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Post by Islandboagie on Mar 12, 2018 2:25:15 GMT -5
I couldn't have said it any better myself, Randy. I do however see some of Rog's side, although I wouldn't call him evil. I think Trump is best described as politically incorrect to a level that is uncomfortable for almost everyone. He's doing a great job at the important matters, but I'd still be happier if he dropped the playground insults.
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Post by rog on Mar 12, 2018 6:41:16 GMT -5
I don't care whether Donald is politically correct, but I do care that he's a liar and a guy who considers himself above the law (as his womanizing comments indicated).
Again, not commenting on his job. Simply pointing out that he is amoral. I wouldn't be proud to be his son.
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Post by rog on Mar 12, 2018 6:44:40 GMT -5
From Henry Schulman:
Jeff Samardzija is turning Japanese, at least in pitch repertoire, in his never-ending quest to force hitters off his fastball.
Japanese pitchers usually lack major-league velocity, so they compensate with a kitchen-sink approach featuring all manner of pitches and speeds.
Samardzija already employs three fastballs — four-seamer, two-seamer, cutter — a curveball, slider and split-finger change.
This spring, Samardzija is trying a new grip on his curveball to give it more bite and change the spin to make it harder to recognize. He also is toying with a straight change to complement the splitter. A straight change is easier to throw for strikes, so Samardzija can employ it early in the count. The dirt-seeking splitter is more of an out pitch.
Asked to tally how many pitch variations he actually might have in his third season with the Giants, he said, “With grips and things like that, it’s really unlimited on the way you feel. There’s eight, nine, 10 different ways you can do things. Work them all in there. It’s fun.”
Samardzija can still bring 95 mph and took a huge leap in 2017 by raising his strikeouts while significantly curtailing walks. But he still allowed 30 homers in 32 starts and his ERA rose by more than half a point over 2016. So, he clearly needs a bigger edge.
SCOTTSDALE, AZ - MARCH 09: Jeff Samardzija #29 of the San Francisco Giants delivers a pitch against the Seattle Mariners in the spring training game at Scottsdale Stadium on March 9, 2018 in Scottsdale, Arizona. (Photo by Jennifer Stewart/Getty Images) Photo: Jennifer Stewart, Getty Images Photo: Jennifer Stewart, Getty Images SCOTTSDALE, AZ - MARCH 09: Jeff Samardzija #29 of the San Francisco Giants delivers a pitch against the Seattle Mariners in the spring training game at Scottsdale Stadium on March 9, 2018 in Scottsdale, Arizona. (Photo by Jennifer Stewart/Getty Images) “People are sitting fastball on me,” he said. “For me to have another pitch to change speeds and make the fastball a little more effective is going to be huge for us, and to get some cheap outs for us along the way and not to strike out so many guys is the name of the game, especially if they’re going to keep our pitch counts down.”
This would seem to indicate that he cares, he's not overly stubborn and he's no fool. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if you guys change your opinions of him this season.
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Post by rog on Mar 12, 2018 6:58:40 GMT -5
Regarding Belt, you guys are taking a fantasy baseball view of him. Yahoo ranks him only #33 among first basemen in their fantasy rankings. Why? Because they look only at specific hitting categories and look at defense only in whether it would help keep a player in the lineup.
They don't care about walks. They don't care about doubles and triples. They don't care that his numbers are held down by the park he plays in. They take a very narrow view of the player, and that's what you guys are doing in a similar manner.
Ironic, isn't it, that some who criticize fantasy baseball take a similar narrow view?
Incidentally, Belt doesn't play for any of my fantasy teams. That's because for fantasy purposes, I look only at him as a fantasy first baseman. When valuing him as a real player, I take a broader approach.
No, Brandon isn't a great player. No, he hasn't lived up to our expectations. But he's done an above-average job at the plate despite playing in what is probably the worst park in the majors for him to exhibit his hitting skills. And defensively, he's a top five first baseman.
If you guys fully understood how important it is not to make an out, you would appreciate his contributions a lot more.
Look at how the Giants are trying to win with their position players this season:
. Speed
. Defense
. Keep the line moving
The only one of the three that Brandon doesn't excel in is speed, and for a first baseman, his speed is above average. Brandon has his faults, and he can look pretty awful at the plate, but baseball isn't a game of style points. We're focusing too much on his faults here and not giving him enough credit for his strong points.
Some are rather oafish in their criticism of Brandon.
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Post by Islandboagie on Mar 12, 2018 10:21:05 GMT -5
Rog- Regarding Belt, you guys are taking a fantasy baseball view of him. Yahoo ranks him only #33 among first basemen in their fantasy rankings. Why? Because they look only at specific hitting categories and look at defense only in whether it would help keep a player in the lineup.
Boagie- That's not true. I'm not even looking at the numbers when I think about Belt's flaws.
I think about his slumps, I think about his inability to drive in runs in a spot in the order that needs to drive in runs. I don't care if he hits doubles and triples and not homeruns, I just want him to hit and for lengthy periods of time he doesn't.
I love his defense, I like that he's a fast runner for a first baseman, but I see him for what he is- a streaky hitter that misses the ball over the plate way too much.
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Post by sfgdood on Mar 12, 2018 12:20:42 GMT -5
I don't care whether Donald is politically correct, but I do care that he's a liar and a guy who considers himself above the law (as his womanizing comments indicated).
Dood - you mean like "you can keep your doctor and keep your plan" or "doubling the debt is unpatriotic" before doing it yourself. Or my personal favorite, "Benghazi was about a youtube video." Lies like those? Yeah terrible.
Again, not commenting on his job. Simply pointing out that he is amoral. I wouldn't be proud to be his son.
Dood - Funny that those who know him well, including Geraldo Rivera, who hardly is a conservative shill, says Donald is a great father with great children. You shouldn't speak of things you know nothing of.
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Post by sfgdood on Mar 12, 2018 12:35:13 GMT -5
Again, not commenting on his job. Simply pointing out that he is amoral. I wouldn't be proud to be his son.
Dood - you want to talk about amoral? Talk about CNN, MSNBC and pretty much ALL of the mainstream media. It isn't just that they NEVER report the great things Trump has accomplished. The amount on unverified or flat out false stories--not opinions but news items--is absolutely ridiculous. And the number of straight news stories that offer actual opinion is what used to be taboo in the industry, now it's common behavior. My college newspaper professor would be appalled if we showed that level of incompetence and bias in our reporting.
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Post by klaiggeb on Mar 12, 2018 13:43:11 GMT -5
When it comes to Jeffy, his velocity, the movement on his pitches, the bite on his breaking stuff... none of that has been an issue for me.
His command HAS BEEN.
A pitcher can have the greatest stuff on the planet but unless he can locate and locate well... he's going to get hit hard, and hit hard too often.
That sums up Jeffy for me.
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Post by klaiggeb on Mar 12, 2018 13:46:16 GMT -5
Randy:
It does no good arguing for Trump. It really doesn't.
All most people see is his uncouth nature.
They ignore that he's the ONLY president in the last 50+ years who has actually done, or at least made one hell of an effort, to do what was promised during their campaign.
They ignore his tax reform which gives on average, $3000 back to people.
They hate him and all/most of the facts are ignored.
CNN, NBC, CBS makes up what they want people to hear. They have their own ADMITTED and DOCUMENTED agenda.
And they have CLEARLY STATED they don't care if they misrepresent the facts.
They want their agenda heard and followed.
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Post by rog on Mar 13, 2018 2:49:10 GMT -5
I think about his slumps, I think about his inability to drive in runs in a spot in the order that needs to drive in runs. I don't care if he hits doubles and triples and not homeruns, I just want him to hit and for lengthy periods of time he doesn't. I love his defense, I like that he's a fast runner for a first baseman, but I see him for what he is- a streaky hitter that misses the ball over the plate way too much. Rog -- You mentioned his defense and speed, so you've gone beyond the fantasy stage. Then you mentnion his slumps and his inability to drive in runs. Let's look at those separately. First, the slumps. If one player winds up with the same exact numbers as another, is it better than he put them up with consistency, or is better that he put them up in a manner that badly hurt his team at times and carried them at others? I'm not sure it matters, and certainly not to the point where I would rather have worse but more consistent hitter. As for his inability to drive in runs, I certainly don't think he's great at it. But he's not bad, either. He's hit .266 with a .449 SLG with RISP and .279/.462 with runners on base. We were talking about how good Bengie Molina was at driving in runs. His comparative numbers were .284/426 and .287/.424. Bengie got more hits, but Brandon hit with more power. If we compare each hitter's performance with runners in the same spot, other than with runners on first and second, the two are pretty close. It appears the difference in their RBI's came as much from relative opportunity as from relative success. Don't forget too that Brandon has played his entire career of home games at AT&T, where left-handed batters hit balls that go to die. My point isn't that Brandon is as good at driving in runs as Bengie was. My point is that much of the difference came from relative opportunity. We praise Bengie one day for driving in runs and criticize Brandon the next for not doing so. There isn't enough difference for there to be that much adulation on the one hand and that much criticism on the other. If we're going to criticize Brandon for not driving in runs, we should praise him for getting on base and not making outs. Brandon's career OBP was .358' Bengie's was .307. Bengie made two outs at a time at a far higher rate than Brandon. Brandon has grounded into only 28 double plays in 2700 at bats. Bengie hit into 173 double plays in 2100 more at bats. Perhaps that is easier to visualize when we see that Bengie hit into a double play once every 28 at bats. Brandon bounced into one every 97 at bats. My fantasy point is that with Brandon we're not looking at the entire picture. We're focusing on RBI's while not paying enough attention to getting on base and avoiding outs. We're not giving enough credence to fielding and running. How important IS fielding compared to hitting? That's a tough one to answer. I think it is safe to say though that taking a hit away defensively is as important overall as getting a hit offensively. The former gives an out and takes away a hit (or error). The latter saves an out and supplies a hit. Shortstop and catcher are considered the two most important defensive positions. Hard to argue with that, but it should also be pointed out that if one excluded strikeouts, the first baseman has far more chances than any other position. So let's look at Brandon overall: . Hitting for power -- not good for his position, although AT&T accentuates the fact. . Hitting for average -- not good for his position. AT&T doesn't really have that much effect. . Getting on base -- very good to excellent. . Avoiding outs -- even better . Base running -- above average for his position. . Fielding -- considered one of the top five first basemen in baseball. In six areas, Brandon is below average for first basemen in only two. In three of the areas, he's quite good, and he's above average for his position in the sixth. We're not talking about a great player, but we're clearly talking about a good one. One measure of overall play is Wins Above Replacement (WAR). Brandon has 20 WAR in 816 games, or the equivalent of five full seasons. Brandon has averaged 4 WAR per full season. That's well above average. If, for instance, the eight position players, the five starting pitchers and the closer and set up man picked up 4 WAR in a season (for a total of 60 WAR), that team would likely win about 108 games. The World Champion Astros, for instance, had 53 WAR in 2017 and won 101. There is evidence to support the fact that a team of players performing at Brandon Belt's level would be a very good team. If we don't want the Giants to have that type of player, that should be no problem. They don't have a lot of them. In judging the all-around value of a player, shouldn't we get away from a sharp fantasy focus and instead focus on the all-around player? Mostly a team would do so only if it wanted to win. Incidentally, one of the biggest reasons it took so long for free agents to be signed this winter and why many of them got far less than they expected? Teams are looking at WAR and calculating the cost of a win via a free agent. They're finding that cost of a win is bigger than they thought it was -- especially on long contracts. On that note, we don't know how hard they will pounce or how successful they'll be, but by giving themselves a shot this season and still staying under the cap, the Giants are putting themselves to make a very big splash next winter. Will it happen? There are plenty of obstacles, but stay tuned. I think we feel good about the Giants' chances in 2018 considering they are coming off 98 losses. Let's see how we feel a year from now. 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Post by rog on Mar 13, 2018 3:02:29 GMT -5
My college newspaper professor would be appalled if we showed that level of incompetence and bias in our reporting. Rog -- Not to say you're wrong, but look him up and ask him. And since he's only one professor, ask him how to get ahold of many others. What you have done here, Randy, is what you're criticizing the press for. You're speaking for someone (and implying that he speaks for the profession) without even asking him. Believe me, I understand what you're saying here. But you are being as guilty as you are saying the press is. There are at least three things we know about our President: . He's a liar. . He has shown improper respect for women and taken advantage of that. . He rarely takes the blame himself (I[m not as sure about this one, but it certainly seems so.) Again, I'm not commenting on the job he has done. That's a bit subjective. I'm simply stating facts about the man himself. So is he evil? That's subjective, but I think it's fair to say that a liar who disregards women and seemingly other minorities or under-appreciated groups is a bit evil. Incidentally, you guys disagree so heavily on politics because political situations are rarely clear cut, and yet you treat them as if they were -- often with two opposite opinions. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/4337/pitching?page=1#ixzz59c4lYYmu
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Post by Islandboagie on Mar 13, 2018 10:19:29 GMT -5
Rog -- You mentioned his defense and speed, so you've gone beyond the fantasy stage. Then you mentnion his slumps and his inability to drive in runs. Let's look at those separately.
First, the slumps. If one player winds up with the same exact numbers as another, is it better than he put them up with consistency, or is better that he put them up in a manner that badly hurt his team at times and carried them at others? I'm not sure it matters, and certainly not to the point where I would rather have worse but more consistent hitter.
As for his inability to drive in runs, I certainly don't think he's great at it. But he's not bad, either. He's hit .266 with a .449 SLG with RISP and .279/.462 with runners on base. We were talking about how good Bengie Molina was at driving in runs. His comparative numbers were .284/426 and .287/.424. Bengie got more hits, but Brandon hit with more power.
Boagie- Belt rarely carries the team. In fact outside of a few weeks during the first half of 2016, he hasn't. I'm not talking about OPS..and whatever numbers you want to throw at me. I'm talking about getting that big hit. If he did carry the team when he was hitting, I'd be inclined to agree with you. But people who watch the games know that's not the case.
As for your comparison to Bengie Molina, Bengie got those big hits, Brandon rarely has. There are plenty of stats like high leverage situations and late and close...but none of those stats really show what the big hit of the game is. That's something you have to see for yourself.
I don't hate Belt, he's clearly better than Randy and Boly have portrayed him as. But on the other side, you continue to overstate the OPS numbers. You've been doing the same thing for 7 years.
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Post by rog on Mar 13, 2018 10:56:02 GMT -5
Funny that those who know him well, including Geraldo Rivera, who hardly is a conservative shill, says Donald is a great father with great children. You shouldn't speak of things you know nothing of. Rog -- We know that Donald is a liar and has had inappropriate ideas regarding women, Randy. I know nothing of those? What I know are televised incidents I've witnessed. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/4337/pitching#ixzz59e2Ht0q9
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They ignore his tax reform which gives on average, $3000 back to people. Rog -- One would think that as a former accountant I would know about the new tax law. I don't. I hate taxes. I presently do them for a few friends and relatives to save them money, but the only enjoyment I get from it is in saving them money. What I would like to know is the how's of the average savings and how those savings break down between the various economic levels. And how does that compare with the tax breaks to companies? By the way, a savings of $3000 per person or per family is impressive. That does raise another question for me though: How do we cut taxes dramatically, especially for businesses as I (perhaps incorrectly) understand it, and still pay for all that Donald (and many of the rest of us) would like to accomplish? I guess at this point perhaps you should answer me on the politics board, and I don't really like going there, but the tax and related economic issues are clearly important to our country and to us as individuals. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/4337/pitching?page=1#ixzz59e3osqUZ
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Post by sfgdood on Mar 13, 2018 11:07:37 GMT -5
They ignore that he's the ONLY president in the last 50+ years who has actually done, or at least made one hell of an effort, to do what was promised during their campaign.
Rog -- That's why I have been speaking solely to the man's character.
Dood - yeah, keeping promises shows SUCH rotten character
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Post by sfgdood on Mar 13, 2018 11:10:09 GMT -5
My college newspaper professor would be appalled if we showed that level of incompetence and bias in our reporting.
Rog -- Not to say you're wrong, but look him up and ask him. And since he's only one professor, ask him how to get ahold of many others.
Dood - I don't have to...my memory is just fine. I'm not doing a survey. I'm making an observation based on my experience as a member of a college newspaper staff.
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Post by sfgdood on Mar 13, 2018 11:13:54 GMT -5
What you have done here, Randy, is what you're criticizing the press for. You're speaking for someone (and implying that he speaks for the profession) without even asking him.
Believe me, I understand what you're saying here. But you are being as guilty as you are saying the press is.
Dood - Even if that were true, there is a very big difference...nobody here, let alone the entire country, is depending on me to provide their primary political information.
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