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Post by donk33 on May 18, 2017 14:38:02 GMT -5
by the way...I call Panik, "JoJo" , in the privacy of my den.....
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Post by klaiggeb on May 18, 2017 14:56:23 GMT -5
Outstanding, Don!
Thanks!
And you also provided me info on ANOTHER Giant I always wondered about; JoJo Moore!
I can't thank you enough!
boly
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Post by klaiggeb on May 18, 2017 14:57:01 GMT -5
Just for the record, Don, I've been known to call him JoJo also...but for different reasons.
boly
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Post by Rog on May 18, 2017 15:46:08 GMT -5
You guys used to be quite The riot early this decade. Now you're a Panik.
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Post by klaiggeb on May 18, 2017 15:47:57 GMT -5
Roger... that was PUNthetic.  |
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Post by Rog on May 18, 2017 15:59:56 GMT -5
Please don't punish me!
By the way, you nailed it. Barbara used to think I was both funny and punny. Now she pretty much thinks I'm punthetic. And that's on a good day!
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Post by garyd4sf on May 18, 2017 21:14:55 GMT -5
The Hit by Mueller on the intentional base on balls I believe was in 1954, the first year I started following baseball as a kid. I remember reading about Mueller doing that.
I did look it up and he garnered some votes for MVP in 1954 but Mays won it by far. Don hit .342 with 212 hits (League high?). I seem to recall that he was near the top in NL Batting averages, competing with Mays. That hit may have been part of his bid. for the batting crown.
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Post by Rog on May 19, 2017 19:29:19 GMT -5
the one glowing time for Don was when he reached out for a pitch when they were giving him an IBB and drove home the winning run.....of course, Rog will tell you he should have left it up to his team mates. Rog -- He probably should have, although it's certainly hard to argue with the results. Willie tried to do that once and popped up. I will say this: Setting yourself up to hit a pitch out if it is close to the plate is a lot different than swinging at a regular pitch that is outside the strike zone. When hitting a pitch out, one can gear himself up for the pitch that is slightly outside. It's the only one he's interested in, and he will have plenty of time to adjust, since the pitch will be coming in at a greatly reduced speed -- and won't have a curve on it. But when I make the point I make, that as a general rule it's not good to go outside the strike zone, I'm going with Ted Williams' philosophy of hitting, which means that at the very least it comes from a good source. And while I realize you heard Jim (Army) Kaat say Ted changed his philosophy when he managed, Ted was already managing when he wrote the book -- or at least when it was published. Look at a hitters' heat chart. In some cases the heat area can go beyond the zone in a particular area. In that case, obviously it's fine for the batter to expand in that specific area, since that area is essentially in that batter's true "strike" -- as in hit the ball -- zone. Generally speaking though, it's not a good idea for a batter to expand the zone. There are two problems: . He usually isn't as good hitting the ball that is outside the zone as he is at hitting the ball within the zone. . Once he expands, he leaves himself open to swinging at pitches that are FAR outside the zone. Think about hitters once they reach two strikes. Since they don't want to be called out on strikes, they tend to expand the zone. And that is part of the reason hitters do their worst hitting with two strikes. One other factor. While there may be isolated times where a #8 hitter might benefit his team by expanding the zone, there are at least as many where by staying within the zone and giving himself the best chance to reach base and allow the pitcher to make the last out of an inning rather than leading off the next, the batter makes a contribution by NOT expanding the zone. The ideal #8 hitter would be able to selectively and successfully expand the zone when that was the best strategy, and yet be able to have great discipline in order to maximize his chances of reaching base when that strategy is the more important. Such hitters are rare, and would rarely be batting in the #8 spot, since they would almost certainly be pretty good hitters. One last time too where it can be good for the #8 hitter to have the patience to reach base is where a pinch hitter for the pitcher will be used in such instance. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/3854/general-observations?page=2#ixzz4hZcXjwCN |
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Post by Rog on May 19, 2017 19:44:37 GMT -5
Mueller did lead the NL with his 212 hits in 1954. Although he compiled a .296 batting average, Don would have a hard playing regularly in today's game. A corner outfielder can get by without speed -- if he hits with power. Don stole 11 bases in his career, while hitting 65 home runs. He also managed only 167 walks in nearly 4600 plate appearances, so he didn't get on base much despite his high average.
Runs and RBI's are team stats, but they do provide at least some insight into a player. Don scored more than 67 runs only once in his career, and he drove in more than 71 runs only twice. No power, a limited ability to reach base, no speed -- in today's game we would hope that he was fast enough to play the middle infield so that he could be a utility man.
I saw Don play, and he was originally one of my favorite players. But I didn't understand the game nearly well enough to understand his limitations. Sorry to add one more player to the list, but Don was yet another platoon player. His OPS against southpaws was a meager .628.
The only season Don was much of a player was in 1954, when he posted hit only +.800 OPS, and then just barely at .807. Hit .342 with an OPS of only .807? Despite that .296 career average, his career OPS+ was just 88 compared to an average of 100. Despite three straight .300+ seasons, Don wasn't close to even an average hitter over his career. Clearly Don was very limited.
Not you, Don. Mueller. And I truly liked Don (Mueller) when I was first a baseball fan.
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Post by donk33 on May 20, 2017 0:40:14 GMT -5
dk...296 wasn't an average ball player??? and how many guys hit .296...not many....How many players put up the numbers in three straight years....Willie beat Don out for the batting title in the last game... how many players had a World Series like Don in 1954....how many guys had so few strike outs....You can't really judge a player by his stolen bases...the Giants didn't steal when they had the big boffers...Mize, Cooper, Marshall, Gordon, etc and when they traded them away for Dark and Stanky they were more a hit and run type team...at one time they had a lineup of guys reco vering from leg injuries...
Seems I was wrong about the year Mueller hit the ball when they were trying to walk him...everyone seems to say it was 1955...can't win them all...I saw one of Mueller's career games...first grand slam and one other homer....the thing I remembered most about the game was that Hank Thompson hit 2 inside the park home runs...I think that was one of the rarest home run feats....
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