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Post by rxmeister on Sept 8, 2014 7:58:26 GMT -5
I'm going to have to agree with you there, Rog. As a typical fan I had given up on both Blanco and Arias. I even heard a Sabean interview where HE had given up on Arias. His quote was "there comes a time when you realize a player isn't going to do what he has done for you in the past." To be fair, Bochy stuck with both players and they've both turned it around. Two points for Bochy, none for me!
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Sept 8, 2014 9:16:25 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Sept 8, 2014 9:16:25 GMT -5
Two points, HERE, Mark... but don't cut yourself short.
You've been right about some of bochy's idiot moves many other times.
My score? Mark 9, Bochy 2
boly
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Sept 9, 2014 16:28:52 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Sept 9, 2014 16:28:52 GMT -5
I agree that Mark is usually right. Wise, clear analysis. And he is more willing to admit he's wrong than just about any of us.
Regarding Bochy, my opinion of him has been relatively level. When he became manager, I thought he was better than most did. When he won the 2010 World Series with an excellent post season of decision-making, I didn't think he was quite the genius some did. And now that we're being rather critical of him again, I think he's better than most do.
I believe it was Boly who mentioned the Hall of Fame in conjunction with Bochy. I suspect he'll hang around long enough to make it. But he's not quite as good as I would expect a Hall of Fame manager to be IMO. By the way, Boly didn't say he thought Bruce SHOULD become a Hall of Famer; simply that he might become one.
By the way, Mark, Bochy didn't really prove any of us wrong because the players DID perform well. He might have shown us to be wrong because there was a decent chance that they would do so. In this case, they did. But had they not done so, he still might have been right.
I suppose one of the most difficult things to decide when a player is playing poorly is if he's simply on the bottom fringes of his expected performance, or if he's not likely to bounce back. As fans I would say we often give up too quickly. I think it's human nature to frequently ask, "What have you done for us lately?"
Something I just thought of in that regard. Randy thinks all I know is stats and that he saw Gary Brown as a future player based on what he saw in Gary (who had a MARVELOUS season at San Jose, where Randy saw him). In reality, I did use stats -- but also scouting reports I had read as early as when he was drafted.
In this case I was right (so far). Probably my analysis was able to be more accurate (again, so far) than Randy's because I used multiple sources, instead of relying simply on what I saw. That's not always going to be the case, obviously. There is no way to right about every player.
Randy posted that I -- and others -- had given up on Gary. I STILL haven't given up on him. I doubt he has much trade value, so I would continue to work with him. As Randy has pointed out, he has some MARVELOUS tools. Maybe baseball instincts are part of what he lacks.
We have seen how that is one of Joe Panik's big strengths. I know one of Gary's strengths -- his fabulous speed -- is slightly diluted by his inability to steal bases efficiently. Maybe he lacks the instincts to get a jump.
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