Romo

[klaiggeb]

Allen--How was the snap today, boly?

Krukow made a big deal out of Frandsen being hit as being payback for Morse being hit earlier. I don't buy it. Why would you hit a guy with two outs and two strikes in the ninth? Why hit Frandsen, who is a friend to many in the Giants organization, and is anything but a major offensive player for the Nats? Why let Romo hit him? He doesn't really throw very hard.

---boly says---

Purdy darned good is how it was! And I AM pleased to see it!

But even more important to me was his over all command. THAT was the Romo we're/I'm used to seeing.

boly

[donk33]

Jun 12, 2014 18:18:10 GMT -5 allenreed said:

I know Kevin is one of your faves, Don. He has done ok with Washington. But if you're going to seek revenge for Morse, we should be thinking guys like Werth, Zimmerman, Desmond, LaRoche, Span.

Romo hadn't pitched in awhile, so they brought him in to get some work.

dk..I know that is the usual line, but with the Rockies coming in, Romo will get plenty of work...

[allenreed]

Fun bet. I'll say Romo pitches in one of the three games.

[Rog]

Allen -- Fun bet. I'll say Romo pitches in one of the three games.



Rog -- I would think the over/under would be 1 1/2. Sergio got some work tonight heading into the series, so he may not pitch simply to stay sharp. Still, pitching in none of the three games seems unlikely. At the other extreme, pitching all three games of the series would mean he would have pitched four days in a row. That is almost certain not to happen.



So will it be one game or two? Depends on how the games go. I would think though that it would be at least 80% that it will be either one or two. Perhaps as high as 90%.



I might go 51% for one game, 38% for two, 10% for none and 1% for all three. So I would estmate Allen's prediction of precisely one game is about 50/50. Don's prediction for two or three would be about 40/60.



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[allenreed]

As much as I thought this through, I figured we get blown out today with Lincecum, and we blow them out with Bummy, so Romo doesn't pitch in those games. The Vogey game might be close with Sergio making an appearance.

[klaiggeb]

Allen--As much as I thought this through, I figured we get blown out today with Lincecum, and we blow them out with Bummy, so Romo doesn't pitch in those games. The Vogey game might be close with Sergio making an appearance.

---boly says---

At this point, Allen, I don't know what to expect from Tim... On the one hand, I totally agree with you, and on the other, I'm "hoping" he can actually hold it together for one more start.

What is of more concern for me, though is that after a HUGE slump, Colorado seems to have awakened vs Atlanta.

Suddenly, once again, they're scoring a ton of runs. I was shocked by what the did to Atlanta pitching.

I don't one to see one more ON FIRE team coming in when we're struggling a bit.


And THAT, more than anything else is what worries me about tonight; Timmy and his "iffy" command against hot Colorado bats.

boly

[allenreed]

Where was the series vs. Atlanta played? Where is this series being played? How was Colorado doing before the Atlanta series?

If we can sweep the Rox, we may KO them for the season.

[Rog]

Allen -- As much as I thought this through, I figured we get blown out today with Lincecum, and we blow them out with Bummy, so Romo doesn't pitch in those games. The Vogey game might be close with Sergio making an appearance.

Rog -- What do you bet that no matter how many games Romo pitches this weekend, it doesn't go that way? I'll bet half the games played in a season don't go according to form.

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[Rog]

Boly -- I'm "hoping" he can actually hold it together for one more start.



Rog -- Intriguing choice of words concerning Tim.



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[allenreed]

Probably so. If they all went according to form, I'd be in Vegas.

[islandboagie]

Inexcusable tonight. If I'm Bochy, Romo just lost his job as the closer. Of course if I were Bochy I wouldn't be wasting 3 pitchers in the 8th inning either. Why are pitchers in the 8th given such a short leash while we all watch the inevitable happen in the 9th. We knew after the first two runners got on that Romo wasn't feeling it. That's when I bring in Machi, Lopez and/or Affeldt, depending on the situation.

[allenreed]

Or maybe an outfielder that can throw to the right base, a catcher who can actually catch, or a shortstop that can transfer the ball from his glove to his throwing hand without dropping it. Romo didn't have it tonight, but that doesn't excuse a plethora of mental mistakes.

Also we simply have to stop striking out with a runner at third and less than two outs.

Rare good start by Timmy wasted.

[rxmeister]

This is three different threads on that terrible performance by Romo last night, so I don't want to repeat my points. As for Pagan, I'm going to partially defend him. He had a real shot at that runner going to third, and a better throw would have gotten him. I'm not sure if the trailing runner took second because of the throw itself or because Panda let an easy to handle throw get by him.

[allenreed]

The trail runner went to second on the throw. He had a small shot with a perfect throw, but that's not a gamble you take in that situation. The trail runner was the tying run. You don't put him in scoring position, plus you have to keep the dp in order.

[Rog]

Mark -- As for Pagan, I'm going to partially defend him. He had a real shot at that runner going to third, and a better throw would have gotten him.

Rog -- It's one of those plays where if you take it, you'd better make it -- on the parts of both the runner and Angel. Maybe I'll try to go back and watch that one again, but shouldn't the shortstop be positioned well enough to at least make the back runner THINK about whether he should try to advance?

Mark -- I'm not sure if the trailing runner took second because of the throw itself or because Panda let an easy to handle throw get by him.

Rog -- I believe it was the former. Both runners actually took risks, as did Angel. The runners were successful; Angel wasn't. Your comment, Mark, illustrates how close the margin between the "right" mental play and the "wrong" one can be.

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[islandboagie]

Rog -- It's one of those plays where if you take it, you'd better make it -- on the parts of both the runner and Angel. Maybe I'll try to go back and watch that one again, but shouldn't the shortstop be positioned well enough to at least make the back runner THINK about whether he should try to advance?


Boagie- Normally trying to get to 3rd base with one out isn't necessarily a "must make it" situation for the runner.

As far as the shortstop positioning, it wouldn't have mattered even if he cut it off, the back runner would have made it.

[rxmeister]

Boagie, it's a must make it when you're down two in the ninth for sure. You simply can't make an out on the base paths. Pagan made a bad baseball play, but I can see why he did it.

[klaiggeb]

Mark--Boagie, it's a must make it when you're down two in the ninth for sure. You simply can't make an out on the base paths. Pagan made a bad baseball play, but I can see why he did it.

---boly says---

Man, Mark, do I disagree! I can't see why he did it. Not at all.

Baseball 101; "Don't allow the tying run in scoring position."

Foolish, foolish play and Pagan SHOULD HAVE known better.

He's a what... 8, 9 year vet?

boly

[rxmeister]

We're not disagreeing here. I said it was a bad baseball play, Boly. A good throw would have gotten the runner though, and then they'd all be patting him on the back. I said I see why he did it because he had a shot at that runner.

[Rog]

Allen -- Rare good start by Timmy wasted.

Rog -- Tim has yielded two or fewer runs in half his starts this season, so I think the above characterization is inaccurate.

Still gave up the two runs by not spreading out his hits and walks enough, but some good signs. One was that his 94.3 mph fastball early in the game tied his 2nd-fastest pitch since 2012. Tim was pleased that he was keeping his left shoulder in.

[Rog]

Boagie- Normally trying to get to 3rd base with one out isn't necessarily a "must make it" situation for the runner.



Rog -- You're right in many if not most situations. But with your team down two runs in the 9th inning, it most certainly is.



Boagie -- As far as the shortstop positioning, it wouldn't have mattered even if he cut it off, the back runner would have made it.



Rog -- You may well be right about that. But the shortstop being set up the proper position to cut off a throw is a possible deterrent to the runner's attempting to go in the first place.



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[islandboagie]

Good point, you might be right.

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but I think the primary reason the runner took third is because there was a runner at first and they might have figured it was a open base to take because the throw would go into second. Any thoughts on that?

[Rog]

Boagie -- I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but I think the primary reason the runner took third is because there was a runner at first and they might have figured it was a open base to take because the throw would go into second. Any thoughts on that?

Rog -- You make a good point. One that most would overlook.

The issue for the runner on second base was risk vs. reward. Certainly the reward greatly increased if the back runner had a chance to advance.

I don't know how deeply players think -- and just as in the rest of life, that certainly varies from player to player. One would hope the front runner took the back runner into consideration with his move. His team really had little reward UNLESS the back runner advanced.

Ideally, the front runner was considering how likely it was he would be thrown out if Pagan threw, how likely Pagan was to throw, and whether the Giants could execute a cutoff that would put the back runner at risk.

By the way, didn't yesterday's game end with Ehire Adrianza on first and Gregor Blanco at the plate? I personally would have asked Ehire to steal if I felt he had even a 50% chance of success. Blanco was unlikely to score him from first base, but the odds would have gone up considerably with Ehire on second.

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