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Post by klaiggeb on Mar 15, 2014 9:40:23 GMT -5
Boly -- And as to throwing harder, I would disagree.
When I was vying for a major league contract in the mid 1960's... the ONLY players being signed were guys that could flat out bring it. And it had been that way for quite a while.
Rog -- When in baseball history have their been so many pitchers who can throw in the high 90's? I remember back -- and not all THAT far back -- when the average fastball was around 88. Now it's around 90 or 91.
boly says---
I don't disagree, Rog. All I'm saying is that even back in th 1960's, scouts really only wanted, or even looked at guys that could flat out bring it.
As for so many pitchers hitting high numbers on the gun...remember NO radar gun for scouts back in the mid 60's, so who really knows how hard they threw.
And also, I believe a case 'could' be made for the signing of hard throwers back then.
Look at some of those rosters from 1960-1967; tons of guys with heat... but who didn't make it because they couldn't find the strike zone consistantly.
boly
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Post by Rog on Mar 15, 2014 11:38:29 GMT -5
Boly -- All I'm saying is that even back in th 1960's, scouts really only wanted, or even looked at guys that could flat out bring it. Rog -- Which makes sense. I suspect scouts have been looking for speed since the beginning of the game. In the beginning guys threw ONLY fastballs. So scouts would have been looking mostly for speed from the very beginning. Boly -- As for so many pitchers hitting high numbers on the gun...remember NO radar gun for scouts back in the mid 60's, so who really knows how hard they threw. Rog -- There is evidence that the speed of pitches keeps rising over time, so it seems unlikely pitchers on average threw as fast as today. In addition to that, pitchers come closer to throwing as hard as they can as long as they can than the old timers did. Some pitchers today usually throw only an inning, so with faster speed to begin with and far fewer stamina restraints, those relievers almost certainly bring it FAR faster than their predecessors. Back when we were kids, relief pitchers were for the most part failed starters. Today many of the relievers are brought up with closing in mind. Boly -- And also, I believe a case 'could' be made for the signing of hard throwers back then. Rog -- I think scouts would usually prefer heat, thinking it was more likely hard throwers would improve their control than for control pitchers to improve their velocity. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2196/super-stars?page=3#ixzz2w395nH8a
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Post by Rog on Mar 15, 2014 11:42:08 GMT -5
Boagie -- Prior to the '50s I believe the competition was thin. Which is why we see Ty Cobb and Babe Ruth's ridiculous numbers. Clearly they were men amongst boys. Rog -- The standard deviation of performance has been declining over the history of the game, indicating the average performer is now closer in performance to the average superstar. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2196/super-stars?page=2#ixzz2w3B8Uli4
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Post by Rog on Mar 15, 2014 11:45:21 GMT -5
dk...in 1946, there were 46 pro leagues...and almost every town had a semi-pro team...that was a while lot of guys competing for a spot on 16 major league teams... Rog -- But in 1946, major league teams still signed its talent almost exclusively from white players coming out of high school. Virtually no black players; virtually no Latins; virtually no Asians. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2196/super-stars?page=2#ixzz2w3CAYxSX
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Post by Rog on Mar 15, 2014 12:05:55 GMT -5
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