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Post by sharksrog on Dec 14, 2013 12:50:43 GMT -5
Boagie -- Cruz dropping the ball in 2003 also wasn't luck, Cruz COULD have made that catch, it was within his control to make that catch, he just choked and dropped it. Rog -- Who said Cruz's dropping that ball was luck? He still had control, didn't he? The TIMING of the botched play may well have had something to do with luck, but the play itself certainly didn't as far as I know. Don't forget the role control plays in luck, Boagie. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=2129&page=1#ixzz2nTMey6lN
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 14, 2013 12:54:39 GMT -5
Boagie -- The earthquake was the one thing you mentioned that COULD fit the definition of luck, but I'm fairly certain most seismologists would disagree that earthquakes are caused by luck. Rog -- It wasn't unlucky that there was an earthquake. Seismologists would indeed agree it was going to happen sooner or later. But that it would happen during the World Series might be deemed a bit unlucky. Didn't you notice the more important statement Allen? He said the Giants likely would have lost that World Series anyway. You and Randy are interpreting what Mark, Allen and I say the way you want to interpret it, not the way we spoke it. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2129&page=1#ixzz2nTNdVDHL
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 14, 2013 12:57:00 GMT -5
Boagie -- I'm sorry, I misspoke earlier. I had said that the Giants lost in 2002 because Baker mismanaged his pitching staff. I have come to my senses now. Clearly we lost because they were repainting the tunnel between the visiting clubhouse and dugout and the entire Giants team was forced to walk under a ladder, sealing their fate. Rog -- The problem is that you have thus far failed to prove the Giants lost the 2002 World Series because Dusty Baker mismanaged the pitching staff. Don't rely on fate. Ladder your argument so it doesn't have to walk underneath the facts. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2129&page=1#ixzz2nTOSWufL
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 14, 2013 12:58:26 GMT -5
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sfgdood
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stats geeks never played the game...that's why they don't get it and never will
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Post by sfgdood on Dec 14, 2013 16:23:11 GMT -5
You and Randy are interpreting what Mark, Allen and I say the way you want to interpret it, not the way we spoke it.
Dood - I'm not interpreting anything. Just saying anyone who states that anytime a better team loses it's because of luck is a fool. You have said that on this thread at least 3 times.
~Dood
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Post by Islandboagie on Dec 14, 2013 17:33:32 GMT -5
Rog -- It wasn't unlucky that there was an earthquake. Seismologists would indeed agree it was going to happen sooner or later. But that it would happen during the World Series might be deemed a bit unlucky.
Boagie- If you want to tie luck to it, I would say it was lucky that there was less commuter traffic because people left work early to watch the World Series, which likely resulted in less lives lost.
However, considering the amount of liberals in the bay area, maybe you're right, it was unlucky.
Either way, luck is just a word to describe random occurances. I dont think you can describe the team that battles through the season long grind and the high pressure situations in the post season as merely "lucky." Those teams deserve more respect than that.
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 14, 2013 18:12:29 GMT -5
Boagie -- Either way, luck is just a word to describe random occurances. Rog -- I don't think so. Here is how Miriam-Webster defines luck: Full Definition of LUCK 1 a: a force that brings good fortune or adversity b: the events or circumstances that operate for or against an individual From the Online Dictionary: luck (lk) n. 1. The chance happening of fortunate or adverse events; fortune: They met one day out of pure luck. 2. Good fortune or prosperity; success: We wish you luck. 3. One's personal fate or lot: It was just my luck to win a trip I couldn't take. Wikipedia says: Luck or chance is an event which occurs beyond one's control, without regard to one's will, intention, or desired result. There are at least two senses people usually mean when they use the term, the prescriptive sense and the descriptive sense. In the prescriptive sense, luck is a supernatural and deterministic concept that there are forces (e.g. gods or spirits) which prescribe that certain events occur very much the way laws of physics will prescribe that certain events occur. It is the prescriptive sense that people mean when they say they "do not believe in luck". In the descriptive sense, luck is a word people give after the occurrence of events which they find to be fortuitous or unfortuitous, and maybe improbable. Nowhere is the word "random" mentioned. although I do notice that Wikipedia use the word "control." Hey, no matter what facts and opinions I list, you guys aren't going to change your minds, so I'll let you continue in ignorant bliss. By the way, it's not just luck that I'm a Giants fan. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=2129&page=2#17742#ixzz2nUceKoZsRead more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=2129&page=2#17742#ixzz2nUc59NeV
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Post by rxmeister on Dec 14, 2013 18:41:25 GMT -5
Someone takes a game winning jump shot and it spins around the rim and drops in or spins out. A game winning kick in football hits the goal post and bounces back or bounces over. No luck there either? You're not disrespecting anyone, of course it takes skill to get there and skill to make that play, as opposed to shooting an air ball, or kicking it wide, but there's still an element of luck involved in the final result. To acknowledge that doesn't belittle the beneficiary in the least. You guys are taking it the wrong way.
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