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Oct 8, 2013 17:21:17 GMT -5
Post by allenreed on Oct 8, 2013 17:21:17 GMT -5
The Cubs are said to hae conducted a seven hour interview with Manny " Cutting Edge" Acta in hopes of hiring him as their next manager. The Cubs are said to be interested in Acta ( who has a dismal 372-518 reciord as a manager, and has never managed a club to even a .500 record) because they want a "Latin American presence" as a manager. Wonder what would happen if a club said they wanted a Caucasian presence as a manager. Why is this kind of blatant racism allowed to exist as long as it's white people who are discriminated against? How can people scream about equality while they're clearly playing racial favorites?
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Oct 8, 2013 20:45:29 GMT -5
Post by sfgdood on Oct 8, 2013 20:45:29 GMT -5
yeah if the team was considering a caucasian with such a losing record as being their token white presence, such a statement would indeed be seen as racist. I can only speculate that the Cubs want a Latin "presence" at manager in order to possibly lure more Latin FAs to Chicago. If that is the thinking, I can kinda understand it if not really back it.
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Oct 8, 2013 23:04:33 GMT -5
Post by allenreed on Oct 8, 2013 23:04:33 GMT -5
Why would Latino FAs be preferable to Caucasian FAs? It's racism pure and simple. They won't be called on it because the liberal press sees racism against whites as perfectly fine. It's why Obama has been able to attack white America with impunity.
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Oct 9, 2013 1:22:41 GMT -5
Post by sfgdood on Oct 9, 2013 1:22:41 GMT -5
who said anything about preferences? Probably a team would like access to a broader pool of FA talent. Maybe they've found Latin players are not wanting to play for them and they want to change that.
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Post by rxmeister on Oct 9, 2013 9:05:58 GMT -5
I see your point, Allen, and I can sympathize with it, but ultimately I think it's ok. It's like someone saying "How come there's a Black history month, and it's racist to have a White history month?" Because whites have been and still are the vast majority, and minorities like Blacks and Latinos have been oppressed for so long, it's ok for them to take pride in their background and culture. And here you have situations where many Latino ball players have just come into the country and barely speak English. A Latino manager can communicate and relate with ALL his players, while an American manager might not be able to. With all that being said, Manny Acta might not be a good choice. As you mentioned, he's failed twice and despite his theoretical ability to relate to his players, he's had trouble getting along with them in previous stops. However he's well liked and respected by GM's because he's a big believer in the use of technology and advanced statistical analysis of players, instead of the old Dusty and Bochy method of "going with your gut." So far, Joe Maddon of Tampa seems to be the perfect manager when it comes to evaluating players with advanced methods combined with the ability to relate to them. He's a big reason why Tampa contends with minimum payroll. Maybe the Cubs should just wait for his contract to expire.
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Oct 9, 2013 11:39:24 GMT -5
Post by allenreed on Oct 9, 2013 11:39:24 GMT -5
Compensatory racism is still racism. I wasn't aound during the Civil War. I didn't hold any slaves. I didn't turn fire hoses on blacks or blow up their churches. Why should I be penalized for what happened years ago. People say they want equality, when in reality they want favoritism. Why would a Latino manager be able to communicate with white players better than a white manager can communicate with Latinos? Acta's been horrific, but my problem isn't with him. It's with the Cubs saying they want a Latino presence. It's racism, pure and simple. If they said they wanted a Caucasian presence, liberals would be screaming from the rooftops. But since the racism is against whites, they're fine with it. What hypocrites. And why is it wrong for whites to take pride in their background and culture? If you do it you're considered a racist. It's great if a black likes LeBron because he's black, or if a Latino likes Roberto Clemente, but if I said I like Mickey Mantle because he was white, I'd be considered a racist. What if a white film director took the same attitude and expressed the same viewpoints about whites as Spike Lee does about blacks. Think people wouldn't be screaming racism? It's such a double standard.
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Oct 9, 2013 12:26:10 GMT -5
Post by sfgdood on Oct 9, 2013 12:26:10 GMT -5
I don't disagree with your double standard argument or your point about compensation racism. However, the Cubs have chosen a tact that they believe will help boost their roster, so I can't call them racists for that. Whether you agree with the tact or not, it seems to me they are just doing what they feel will improve their team. After over 100 years I cant blame them for trying something radical.
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Oct 9, 2013 12:57:45 GMT -5
Post by dk on Oct 9, 2013 12:57:45 GMT -5
Compensatory racism is still racism. I wasn't aound during the Civil War. I didn't hold any slaves. I didn't turn fire hoses on blacks or blow up their churches. Why should I be penalized for what happened years ago. People say they want equality, when in reality they want favoritism. Why would a Latino manager be able to communicate with white players better than a white manager can communicate with Latinos? Acta's been horrific, but my problem isn't with him. It's with the Cubs saying they want a Latino presence. It's racism, pure and simple. If they said they wanted a Caucasian presence, liberals would be screaming from the rooftops. But since the racism is against whites, they're fine with it. What hypocrites. And why is it wrong for whites to take pride in their background and culture? If you do it you're considered a racist. It's great if a black likes LeBron because he's black, or if a Latino likes Roberto Clemente, but if I said I like Mickey Mantle because he was white, I'd be considered a racist. What if a white film director took the same attitude and expressed the same viewpoints about whites as Spike Lee does about blacks. Think people wouldn't be screaming racism? It's such a double standard dk once more we have Allen's typical right wing rant ...who said anything about compensatory racism...I don't know anything about you, but I was raised and educated by White teachers and text books that barely mentioned minority people in our history books. The minorities are creating their own holidays to spread the knowledge of their part in building this country...no one expects you to partake because they know it is useless ....most Latino managers speak both Spanish and English...very few non-Latino managers speak Spanish...big difference in connecting with players...however, the way we are heading, more and more players are coming from Asia...and teams have to add translators to speak to them.. of course, if you and your tea party friends have their way, we will have new leagues in which the players will all look like they did before JR, except they will also make sure their will be no white Latinos...
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Oct 9, 2013 15:29:55 GMT -5
Post by allenreed on Oct 9, 2013 15:29:55 GMT -5
I don't disagree with your double standard argument or your point about compensation racism. However, the Cubs have chosen a tact that they believe will help boost their roster, so I can't call them racists for that. Whether you agree with the tact or not, it seems to me they are just doing what they feel will improve their team. After over 100 years I cant blame them for trying something radical. Allen- Well, the double standard is my point Randy. A team would not be allowed to say they wanted a Caucasian presence as a manager. The media backlash would be catastrophic, and they would probably be heavily sanctioned by the league. Heck, they might even take their team away, as they did with Marge Schott. I wouldn't call hiring a Latino radical, especially. Felipe Alou, Lou Piniella, and Acta himself have all managed. My point isn't that a Latino can't manage, or even that the Cubs don't have a right to want a Latino as their manager. It's their club, they can hire a monkey to manage if they like. My point is that something that would be perceived as racist if a white person was involved, is regarded as perfectly fine if a non-white is involved.
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Post by rxmeister on Oct 9, 2013 15:35:25 GMT -5
DK said it perfectly there, Allen. I'm sorry you cannot appreciate or respect the hell minorities have gone through in this country, or grasp that it still goes on today. Walk into any executive meeting room and you'll see little or no minorities. Minorities, (and women) don't receive equal pay for doing the same job. And for every team that says it's looking for a Latino presence, there's ten of them that don't say anything, but know they're hiring a white guy. Racism is alive and well, Allen, they're not asking for favoritism, they're asking for fairness.
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Oct 9, 2013 15:42:14 GMT -5
Post by allenreed on Oct 9, 2013 15:42:14 GMT -5
dk once more we have Allen's typical right wing rant ...who said anything about compensatory racism..
Allen- I believe it was Mark, who said that since minorities had been opressed for so long they should be allowed to take more pride in their race and culture than whites.
.I don't know anything about you,
Allen- Interesting. Going on the statements you've made here, you know everything about me. Of course your very often wrong, but that's another story.
but I was raised and educated by White teachers and text books that barely mentioned minority people in our history books.
Allen- I didn't know books had been invented when you went to school.
of course, if you and your tea party friends have their way,
Allen- As I said above. I don't have a single friend who is a member of any tea party group, but you assume I do. And you're wrong yet again.
we will have new leagues in which the players will all look like they did before JR, except they will also make sure their will be no white Latinos.
Allen- I seriously doubt that. I wouldn't want it, and the tea party is not a racist organization. Many blacks and minorities belong. What ever gave you the idea the tea party was racist? It's almost totally based on economics, and minimizing government intrusion into our lives, which is a noble ambition indeed.
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Oct 9, 2013 16:29:37 GMT -5
Post by allenreed on Oct 9, 2013 16:29:37 GMT -5
DK said it perfectly there, Allen. I'm sorry you cannot appreciate or respect the hell minorities have gone through in this country, or grasp that it still goes on today. Walk into any executive meeting room and you'll see little or no minorities. Minorities, (and women) don't receive equal pay for doing the same job. And for every team that says it's looking for a Latino presence, there's ten of them that don't say anything, but know they're hiring a white guy. Racism is alive and well, Allen, they're not asking for favoritism, they're asking for fairness. Allen- Whether I can appreciate it or not, I shouldn't be punished for it. If minorities aren't in executive board rooms , it certainly isn't because they haven't been given the chance, and one of the worse offenders for sexist pay rates is the Obama administration. Racism is alive and well. But it's a door that swings both ways. That's my biggest beef with liberals on this issue. They justify and at times even support racism among minorities, and scream racism at whites where it often doesn't exist. Two examples: the tea party and Obama. Look, you either want equality or you don't. Punishing whites for something that happened 150 years ago is not equality. Affirmative Action is not equality. Racial quotas are not equality. Exemption from laws is not equality. Double standards are not equality.
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Post by rxmeister on Oct 9, 2013 23:02:17 GMT -5
But there is no equality the other way either, Allen. If you're in a minority and you grew up in a terrible neighborhood, went to a terrible school and your parents couldn't even provide you with the basic necessities, how are you supposed to compete with whites who've always had the best of everything? How do you get a job when the bosses are all white and want to surround themselves with more of their own?
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Oct 10, 2013 0:22:10 GMT -5
Post by sfgdood on Oct 10, 2013 0:22:10 GMT -5
Dr. Benjamin Carson had every disadvantage that you talked about but he didnt embrace the victim role...he didnt use the excuse of the left that the unfortunate past keeps them in a certain station and the majority should be punished for it. Dr Carson should be the role model for the achieving minority but instead the left fears him and his message. Liberals want to keep minorities down and angry at the GOP because when they arent dependent on the government handouts, then they will more likely see the conservative ideology as being more advantageous for everybody.
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Post by rxmeister on Oct 10, 2013 10:20:14 GMT -5
Dood, there's always exceptions but that doesn't make your point. It's much harder for the disadvantaged to get anywhere in this society, and because a certain percentage of them are able to do it, it doesn't mean the system is fair. All these programs that Allen complained about are designed to level the playing field, but it can never do so as long as racism continues to exist.
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Oct 10, 2013 11:21:41 GMT -5
Post by allenreed on Oct 10, 2013 11:21:41 GMT -5
When Obama heard what Dr. Carson had to say, he should have sat him down and picked his brain. Then he should have put him in charge of healthcare reform. Instead Obama tried to get back at him by putting the IRS on him, as he did with the tea party and other Romney supporters during the election. Great leadership, huh?
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Oct 10, 2013 11:39:03 GMT -5
Post by allenreed on Oct 10, 2013 11:39:03 GMT -5
But there is no equality the other way either, Allen. If you're in a minority and you grew up in a terrible neighborhood, went to a terrible school and your parents couldn't even provide you with the basic necessities, how are you supposed to compete with whites who've always had the best of everything? How do you get a job when the bosses are all white and want to surround themselves with more of their own? Allen- Well, you cerainly don't do it by covering yourself with tattoos, wearing your pants around your thighs and using profanity with every third word. That's what alot of minorities don't understand. You have to look the part. You can't come in and apply for a job looking and acting in a way that makes your prospective employer uncomfortable. Also, you can't drop out of school and start doing drugs and drinking in your mid teens. You have to know how to read and how to speak. If I have a business that is my livelihood, who am I going to hire? Someone who comes in nicely dressed and can put a sentence together, or some guy who comes in with his pants below his a**, and reeking of weed?
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Oct 10, 2013 11:53:24 GMT -5
Post by allenreed on Oct 10, 2013 11:53:24 GMT -5
[Dood, there's always exceptions but that doesn't make your point. It's much harder for the disadvantaged to get anywhere in this society, and because a certain percentage of them are able to do it, it doesn't mean the system is fair. All these programs that Allen complained about are designed to level the playing field, but it can never do so as long as racism continues to exist.
Allen- I don't get the liberal stand that only white people are capable of racism, that it's strictly a white phenomenon. You don't think there are black racists, Latino racists, Asian racists? Go into your local Chinese restaraunt. How many whites working there? If you go into a black owned business, think you'll find alot of white employees? Every other race is more interested with taking care of their own than white people are. We're just the only ones who get punished for it.
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Oct 10, 2013 12:00:49 GMT -5
Post by allenreed on Oct 10, 2013 12:00:49 GMT -5
But there is no equality the other way either, Allen. If you're in a minority and you grew up in a terrible neighborhood, went to a terrible school and your parents couldn't even provide you with the basic necessities, how are you supposed to compete with whites who've always had the best of everything? How do you get a job when the bosses are all white and want to surround themselves with more of their own?
Allen- Newsflash Mark. The world isn't fair. If you're disadvantaged, you have to work harder. Make yourself exceptional. Lay off the booze and drugs and get the best education you can. Don't expect people to hand you a living. What makes you think only minorities are disadvantaged and come from bad homes, while all whites "had the best of everything". Seems like a racist viewpoint to me.
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Oct 10, 2013 12:22:11 GMT -5
Post by sfgdood on Oct 10, 2013 12:22:11 GMT -5
Allen- Newsflash Mark. The world isn't fair. If you're disadvantaged, you have to work harder. Make yourself exceptional. Lay off the booze and drugs and get the best education you can. Don't expect people to hand you a living. What makes you think only minorities are disadvantaged and come from bad homes, while all whites "had the best of everything". Seems like a racist viewpoint to me.
Dood - right on the money, Al. The only thing holding anybody back in this country is their own self-expectations. Dr Carson DOES prove my point. It isn't that every minority is guaranteed that kind of success in life if he works as hard as Carson did...but they DO have the opportunity. Nobody is supposed to be guaranteed a living or great success no matter how priviliged they were as kids. Lots of priviliged kids go down a bad path too.
The point is, if underpriviliged kids see Dr Carson and where he came from, it gives them the ability to say "hey, he grew up just like me and he made it big. That means I can too." Compare that to "I deserve for the government to give me Welfare and food stamps and Health Care and cell phones all my life because of what they did to my ancestors and because I grew up in a tough neighborhood."
Guess which mentality Obama is favoring.
~Dood
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Post by rxmeister on Oct 10, 2013 13:47:55 GMT -5
LOL, ok guys. Pat yourselves on the backs for all the "adversity" you've overcome to become the successes you both are today. I'm glad you were rewarded for the struggles of growing up white and middle class in this country. Imagine all those minority children who don't succeed with all the government gives them, like food stamps, Medicaid and welfare. If you guys had to live on the pittance the government gives them for a month you'd probably jump off the Golden Gate Bridge.
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Oct 10, 2013 14:19:21 GMT -5
Post by allenreed on Oct 10, 2013 14:19:21 GMT -5
Where did that come from? No one's "patting themselves on the back". But it isn't like I grew up with the "best of everything" either. And I wouldn't consider myself particularly successful, especially currently. Is it just minority children that are on welfare? Do white kids on welfare somehow succeed despite their poor upbringing? Many on welfare don't succeed because of what the government gives them. They get comfortable living with the free money, and it takes away their ambition. Their children grow up in that culture, with those kind of role models, and it perpetuates itself. Obama got re-elected by promising to keep those entitlement checks coming.
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Oct 10, 2013 14:42:50 GMT -5
Post by Islandboagie on Oct 10, 2013 14:42:50 GMT -5
Why do liberals pretend that minorities are treated so unfairly by the U.S. when they migrate here in droves to live the American dream? I'm fairly certain Many Acta isn't digging in dumpsters for a meal to eat.
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Oct 10, 2013 23:12:35 GMT -5
Post by allenreed on Oct 10, 2013 23:12:35 GMT -5
If they're illegals, they're treated better than US citizens under the Obama administration. A rally of illegals was recently held on the mall in DC, while WWII vets were barricaded out of their open air memorial. Disgraceful, and another example of the contempt and disdain our current President has for our military and veterans.
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Oct 10, 2013 23:55:06 GMT -5
Post by dk on Oct 10, 2013 23:55:06 GMT -5
If they're illegals, they're treated better than US citizens under the Obama administration. A rally of illegals was recently held on the mall in DC, while WWII vets were barricaded out of their open air memorial. Disgraceful, and another example of the contempt and disdain our current President has for our military and veterans dk..just once in your bigoted existence get your facts right...Obama has deported more illegals than any other President...he has also cut down the illegals entering the country....of course you knew that but it doesn't stop your childish gibberish trying to smear your President.... and little man...the Vets were bared because the government was shut down....but again you knew that and you insist in lying thru your teeth to smear your President...you are an evil, small minded person......
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Oct 11, 2013 6:40:30 GMT -5
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Oct 11, 2013 12:24:42 GMT -5
Post by allenreed on Oct 11, 2013 12:24:42 GMT -5
Obama allowed a permit for a rally on the National mall, while the WWII memorial was barricaded. That's a fact, Don. Obama does deport illegals, but does absolutely nothing to prevent their return. In fact, he sues states that try to enforce the immigration laws. Well, scratch that. He's made the economy and job situation here so bad that many feel they can do better in Mexico.
Obama's unwillingness to negotiate on anything is the reason the govt. is shut down. He barricaded what is an open air memorial because he wanted to inflict as much pain on Americans as possible, hoping Republicans would get the blame. In other words he did it for the same reason he does anything. Political gain. It cost more to barricade it than it would have to leave it open. More on Obama vis a vis the military. He refused to pay death benefits for 26 soldiers recently killed in Afghanistan. A private company (Fisher House) had to step in and pony up the bill. BTW, how's that Obamacare working out?
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Oct 11, 2013 13:07:44 GMT -5
Post by dk on Oct 11, 2013 13:07:44 GMT -5
Obama allowed a permit for a rally on the National mall, while the WWII memorial was barricaded. That's a fact, Don. Obama does deport illegals, but does absolutely nothing to prevent their return. In fact, he sues states that try to enforce the immigration laws. Well, scratch that. He's made the economy and job situation here so bad that many feel they can do better in Mexico. Obama's unwillingness to negotiate on anything is the reason the govt. is shut down. He barricaded what is an open air memorial because he wanted to inflict as much pain on Americans as possible, hoping Republicans would get the blame. In other words he did it for the same reason he does anything. Political gain. It cost more to barricade it than it would have to leave it open. More on Obama vis a vis the military. He refused to pay death benefits for 26 soldiers recently killed in Afghanistan. A private company (Fisher House) had to step in and pony up the bill. BTW, how's that Obamacare working out dkObama care is working great for me...my Grand daughter is going to get coverage for a fraction on what she is paying now...better coverage, smaller deductible, and much cheaper....why don't you give up little man??? Since the tea baggers shut down the government there was no way that they could pay the death benefits for the dead soldiers.. Fisher house is loaning the government the money to pay the famiies..this money will be paid back.. and you know freaking well that all government monuments had to be shut down because your tea party nuts shut off the money..... and if you were the slightest decent you would understand that it was the right wing nuts that shot off their mouths that they would not negotiate..and the President retorted that he would not be bribed by these nuts....the Speaker knows he is in the wrong but he is afraid the ultra right would take his job if he did the right thing......but you really know all that so it is a big waste of time to go any where with your lies and twisted statements....
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Oct 11, 2013 13:20:36 GMT -5
Post by sfgdood on Oct 11, 2013 13:20:36 GMT -5
still spoutin the liberal talking points eh Dk? I haven't seen this much denial since Nancy Pelosi spouted her now famous "we have to pass the bill to find out what's in it" line.
Harry Reid killing kids with cancer, Obama barricading monuments to WW2 vets while opening up the mall for illegal immigrants...and yet you still want to blame "tea baggers." There's blame to be had on both sides (yes I said BOTH sides) but the fact you can't get around is that the "tea baggers" are passing bills to fund services that Obama and the Dems wont hear of. Obama is the president and is supposed to act like a leader, getting the two sides together to negotiate...but he's acting more like a partisan political hack, as always. This is why his approval rating is at an all time low.
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Oct 11, 2013 14:54:17 GMT -5
Post by allenreed on Oct 11, 2013 14:54:17 GMT -5
kObama care is working great for me.
Allen- Oh, so you're the one. It's an unmitigated disaster, just as everyone with any damn sense knew it would be. Obama's arrogance and unwillingness to take advice from people far more knowledgable than he is hurting millions of America. And he spent $300 million designing a website that doesn't work. Many internet experts say they could have built a better one for a couple of hundred dollars. I think two people signed up in Wisconsin. A couple of states (I believe Louisiana was one) had zero sign ups.
Since the tea baggers shut down the government there was no way that they could pay the death benefits for the dead soldiers.
Allen- Actually, they passed a bill authorizing those payments. They chose not to pay them in the hope Republicans would get the blame. Again, Obama using the military as pawns in order to try to gain politically. Just like Benghazi.
. Fisher house is loaning the government the money to pay the famiies.
Allen- And how pathetic is that? A private company has to step in and do the right thing by our military, because our President is too busy playing his foolish games and trying to curry political favor. Life under Obama.
.this money will be paid back.. and you know freaking well that all government monuments had to be shut down because your tea party nuts shut off the money.
Allen- BS Don. They sent bill after bill after bill to the Senate to try to get the thing reopened. Reid didn't want to get off his ass, and Barack wanted to inflict as much pain as possible. Besides, it's an open air monument. There's no one there to staff it when it's open. Same with the Lincoln Memorial. Obama wants to hurt Americans, and then blame others for problems he caused. It's what he does.
and if you were the slightest decent you would understand that it was the right wing nuts that shot off their mouths that they would not negotiate.
Allen- Wrong yet again Don. Obama said again and again he would not negotiate on the Obamacare disaster or the debt ceiling. He will not be satisfied until he bankrupts the country. We are in the early stages of what Detroit went through. Incompetent, corrupt liberals draining the treasury and leaving the country in ruins.
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