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Post by rxmeister on Aug 7, 2013 16:13:39 GMT -5
The Giants are going to have to up the ante (as in payroll) as will the rest of the division if they're going to compete with the Dodgers in future years, as LA has made it clear that money is no object. Based on what I've heard from Sabean so far is that he plans on trying to re-sign Pence, Lincecum and Lopez. Must keep that last place team together! He better do a lot more.
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sfgdood
Long time member
stats geeks never played the game...that's why they don't get it and never will
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Post by sfgdood on Aug 7, 2013 17:36:19 GMT -5
The Giants arent going to break the bank to try to spend on par with the Dodgers. A better way to go would be to shore up the scouting and development division because it is their incompetence that has led to the Giants being near the bottom in terms of Minor League talent. It's clear that even 2 World Titles havent lured free agent hitters to San Francisco so we need to develop them ourselves. The current development team isn't getting the job done so we need to replace them.
~Dood
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 7, 2013 17:36:22 GMT -5
Allen -- Do you think Tim considers his June and July a success? If so, he's a very selfish player who is missing the team concept. I doubt that Tim sees the last two months as a success. Rog -- The past two months have been a disaster for the team, but they have been highly successful for Tim in his year-and-a-half long bid to get back toward his old form. Did Tim succeed in 2008 and 2009 when he won two Cy Young Awards and yet the Giants didn't make the playoffs? I would venture to say he did, and they didn't. They certainly overlap at time, but individual and team success aren't the same thing. A player's job is to do the best he can to help his team win. The team's job is to win. Thus, they should be measured separately and differently. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1948&page=1#ixzz2bKEexgFA
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 7, 2013 17:40:53 GMT -5
Boagie -- A well thought out post. Unfortunately WAR and the percentages you use here hold about as much factual evidence as the easter bunny. Rog -- But, you see, they are the best we have available. The Theory of Relativity is just that -- a theory. Evolution is just a theory. Are you trying to tell me we can't learn anything from them? Time after time after time, the argument against the value of stats is that they're not perfect in their ability to help us analyze. But if they HELP, they have value. A scout's evaluation of players isn't perfect, either, but a good scout can help improve our basis for a decision. The same with stats. If one's primary argument against something is that it isn't perfect, he likely doesn't have a very good argument in an imperfect world. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1948&page=1#ixzz2bKFlLl4h
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 7, 2013 17:43:07 GMT -5
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Post by Islandboagie on Aug 8, 2013 2:21:56 GMT -5
Rog -- You are right on the money. That is why the desired result -- wins -- is a team stat.
Boagie- Wins is also a stat that every individual player should make first priority if they want that desired result on a regular basis.
I'm tired of this hack-fest when we have runners on. Pablo, Pence, Belt and the others have lost the right to swing away. They need to go back to playing small ball and manufacturing runs.
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 8, 2013 9:51:43 GMT -5
Boagie -- Pablo, Pence, Belt and the others have lost the right to swing away. They need to go back to playing small ball and manufacturing runs. Rog -- About the only player of the trio who has much of any small ball skills is Hunter with his new-found ability to steal a base. (Belt is good at drawing walks, but that's big ball as well as small ball.) I can't really see any of the three as bunters. Belt has gone 8 for 17 with three walks, so I don't think I would change what he's doing right now. Yes, it's discouraging not to be able to score runners in scoring position or particularly runners on third with fewer than two outs. But with less than two outs, the Giants have scored 129 runs in 183 opportunities, which I don't think is too bad. They have 5 sacrifices and 36 sacrifice flies. Their biggest deficiency would seem to be their 16 GDP's. To me, one of the most important times to get the runner home from 3rd is with one out and a single runner on third. There ARE no other runners to advance (with the exception of the batter/runner himself). The Giants have driven in 23 runs in 32 opportunities. They've hit about the same with runners in scoring position as with no one on, and they hit better with runners on. The Giants' hitters are VERY frustrating right now, but that's because they just aren't hitting the ball -- not specifically that they're failing at small ball. There have been other games that were different, but they lost last night's game 6-1. I don't believe it was poor small ball play that was the difference. It's not just that the Giants haven't moved runners along. It's that they haven't had enough runners in the first place. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1948&page=2#13617#ixzz2bO7cZtGx
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